All posts by Dagon2011

We might not get Saitama VS Garou. But if we do get it, it's gona be sooooooooooooooooooooooo coooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool. I bet almost every single OPM fan will be the happiest.

@VegetaFan756 Really? I really want you to go look in Bang VS Atomic Samurai, and also the deabte wihth Charels. And now this too.. You always need help my dude, without help, you can;t even provide a single evidence. You got saved by BreakfastLord. I also want you provide evidence where you won on those 3 debates.

You're clearing my point. You're also proving that gag is similar to Omnipotence. I'm also using statements and not feats, are you seeing something else? "A no limits fallacy is one someone states that since a character hasn't been shown a type of limit, for example saitama hasn’t been shown to lose, that means that limit doesn’t exist, mfs saying saitama can’t lose." Then that just proves Saitama can't lose? You're literaly contridacting yourself. That is literally why no limits fallacy is contridacting itself. Plus, about your little Saitama didn't one punch Superman or Popye, you want to know about the characters itself.

Popye is an Invinsible gag just like Saitama and Spuirrel girl, but that doesn't mean gags are equal. Spuirrel Girl > Popeye > Saitama. Popeye has more gag hax, while Spuirrel girl has much more feats. And Superman, well, you gotta read DC comics.

Superman casually broke through the Source Wall which contains Infinite universes:

And what lies beyond the Source Wall is the Source. The source was confirmed to be The Presence in Death metal, and Presence is the supreme God of DC. Possibly Omnipotent.

And an single universe of DC has bohm's implicate order:

So this scan proves single universe has bohms implicate order theory and bohm's implicate order theory scales to axiom and ZFC, axioms are 10 times Conceptually above inaccessible cardinals since axiom scales above 0=1 cardinal which is the largest cardinal and ZFC is literally above set theory itself. And Zfc needs Russel Parodox. Superman >>>>>>> bohm's implicate order >>>>>>> Russel paradox >>>>>>>> zfc >>>>>>> set theory = tiering system. Base Superman > Every verse. And I'm not yet finished.

The Presence resides in the Sphere of Gods and the Writer resides in the limbo. And superman already broke an thing which outscales the limbo and the sphere of gods.

@VegetaFan756 Or how about Bang VS Atomic Samurai? You have been on 3 debattes with me, literally leaving everytime I beat you, without even accepting the losing or laving. I accepted to BreakFastLord and Charles, yet you can;t say it. Shame.

@VegetaFan756 Really? What happend when I literally gave sources to beat your Goku? Your mouth got zipped. It reminds me of the debate I was with Charles, you literally were saying that Old Kai said Whis said it and all, and when I posted source, you were literally claiming again and again with nothing reliable. And when Charles arrived, you were so active that you were literally saying what Charles was saying. Literally, you have leaven multiple debates and zipped your mouth so that you don't have to accept your losing, yet you have. You just don;t want to accept it. Same here with BreakfastLord. So yeah, appreciate me even saying that.

@Breakfast lord Just like YKMillion said, you guys will never listen. I have already debunked your things, yet you keep pasting them again and again saying to disprove them. I have had eneough.

Sorry. Although there's a thing, I'm very ver tierd of your no limits fallacy. I can make a character that has literally no feats, but is Omnipotent. A random guy places my character with another character like Luci who has more feat. That guys says Luci wins since he has more feats. I say that he is Omnipotent, so he wins. But he just comes up saying that no limits fallacy which is absolutely incorrect because winning against an Omnipotent character is a logical contridaction. Same for Insvinisble gags. If a gag loses, that means they are a non-Invinsible gag. Invinsible gags can never lose, they are just made like that. That's the gag, that's the joke. A character that can never lose, just like Omnipotence. No limits fallacy isn't even a fallacy, so stop using that.

Saitama is a serious character that is written with gag logic. He can outrun Flash yet can't catch a mosquito. He got got hurt by a cat yet didn't get hurt by Nyan.

Saitama is written with joke logic that isn't consistent with the logic of the story. His strength is another extension of that. King is written in the same way. The logic behind his luck has no actual basis in the story itself. Its just something that happens because its funny to us, the readers. Saitama will always win because that's what's most funny. His gag isn't reliant on narrative like you say. His gag does not rely on narrative, if the gag is removed in another verse, you are removing Saitama from Saitama. Gag is something Inherent to Saitama's character. Why do you think Death Battle said he can one punch anyone? Why do you think he even copared him to Popeye? Saitama is a king of broken anime characters, he follows no logic of reality, he is a gag characters and gags are not reliant on narrative.

Again. Story. Matters. It. Is. Not. Always. About. Measuring.

@Tp847SecondAccount Yet, you made a question, and immediatly understod who is the winner by just someone claiming something. Of course you have seen everyone's opinions, but this is only the wiki. There are millions of people out there with their opinions, so do you think they'll have the same opinions? The debate's still going on, so wait and have patience.

Yet you have never made a debunk to it. You just pulled up some scans and literally didn't say anything. I gave an explanation, and if you can't debunk it, then that would basically mean you accept what I'm saying. I can make an article saying that Samael would win against TOAA with no eoffrt, and so do you think people will believe that? Gags cannot lose. Some gags are just made like that, they are Invinicible. If that gag loses, then that would mean they're not nvisible. Like Arale.

Also, you are literally the one who made the question. And now your saying that OPM gets destroyed? Then what's the point of you asking the query?

Of course there are more characters that can't lose. Besides, you're just claiming without giving any source. C'mon man, give source.

I'm not a Dragon Ball expert, but I do know that Goku has been defeated. I'm just pulling up an answer from quora now, credits to that Matt Martin guy.

He was defeated by Roshi via KO in the 21st Budokai.

Tien by a technicality and ringout.

Tao shot and nearly killed him and had he bothered to finish the job, Goku would be dead.

King Piccolo defeated and nearly killed him.

Popo clowned him and Kami beat Goku with a mere flick of his finger.

Vegeta defeated Goku, i dont care what anyone says. Vegeta never cheated, he used everything his natural body was capable of no matter how much he hated being pushed that far.

Ginyu defeated Goku. I dont care what anyone says. had they continued to fight one on one, Ginyu would have killed him and Goku would have bled out.

19 defeated Goku. no its not suddenly a non defeat just because Goku was sick. we’re not talking about that. we’re talking was Goku still standing and able to fight back at the end or not.

Cell defeated Goku. Goku gave up, the win is Cell’s. and Goku was clearly powerless to help his son later on.

Beerus defeated Goku. pretty clear cut.

Hit defeated Goku by Goku forfeiting the match.

Merged Zamasu outlasted and defeated both Vegetto and Goku. Goku felt so powerless that he called on a literal god entity to win the fight for him. pretty clear cut goku would be dead if he was alone.

So, Goku HAS been defeated. Yes, everytime he gets defeated, Goku comes back again and just becomes more powerful. But that wouldn't be the case if he diies. If Saitama has the killing intent, he would completrly kill Goku with one punch. Goku has lost, while Saitama has never. Saitama is just Invincible.

I mean, the new chapter is just a coverup, no fight or anything. It's just a normal chapter, not the fire ones where the fights were. And finally, the MA arc has ended. Althogh we might see Pskyos next chapter, so 1-2 chapters and we're finished.

Saitama is a gag, an Invincible one. There is enough evidence to prove that. It is NOT plot realiant, narrative reliant or anything you put as a debunk. Gags work crossverses, and I have posted enough evidence for that. Yet, y'all still keep coming up by either chhanging the topic, or keep on saying what you're saying with no actual proof. One guy said gag is reliant on plot, and that's it. But where's the evidence? You can't win a debate by absolutely claiming, you need sources.

God, you guys still don't keep getting it. I act like the writing of a character or his purpose in the story matters because it DOES. If we're ignoring it, we're ignoring something big. If we ignore the thing that is written into him, then we can easily see who wins. And that is literally Goku. You're literally removing something from Saitama and that thing is the only thing he can make him win against Goku, or maybe his limitless growth too but whatever. A being with reality warping is so powerful as it can manipulate reality on an absolute scale. The possibilities of this power can be endless, from changing physical laws and controlling abilities to completely rewriting totality. I literally explained why gags are not plot reliant, read that before you debate. Also, did I say that gags mean plot manipulation? I'm using that as a source for my argument. "If Saitama can't use his gag because there is no plot or narrative or no author to interact with via his gag, then the same would have to reign true for every character who has some sort of plot manipulation ability which is just dumb". I'll now copypaste the plot answer, as I ', not in the mood to write it again. If there's a character with the gag to lose every fight no matter what, then when they're placed into a fight, this character would lose every fight no matter what. That's the gag that's the joke, that's not plot armor to lose the fight it's a trait inherent to the character itself. So when someone says Saitama's gag would make him win that's not plot armor they're just referencing something inherent to Saitama's character. You're commiting a fallacy, not knowing the difference between gag and plot. Feats = Plot reliant, because without the plot Goku wou;d have never gotten Ultra Instinct, Deku would have never unlocked 20% fulll cowling and Maruto would have never a rasengan fr the first time. All of these abilites are reliant on plot. There is something a asdfmovie. It has a bunch of gags and joked snd recurring gags. There is no plot in the asdfmovie but the gags themselves. Like there is one character whose only gag is to say I like trains then either him or someone near him is run over by a train that came outta nowhere is a gag character these are gags and they are not reliant on plot whatsoever. They simply exist in a vaccum of jokes and gags are not plot reliant. Just because Saitama's gag exists in a worl with plot doesn't mean his gag has to be plot reliant.

Obviously I know the cosmos is the universe? Garou knows everything about the universe, he can scale all of reality of the universe. That is literally what I'm talking about the cosmos. Did I say that cosmos means multivrses or infinite universe? Think before you speak. Gag is not equal to narrative. So you're calming gag is tied to the narrative... hmm.. Well, yet again, you're placing an arbitrary stipulation on character fights that has no objective basis. And also, the narrative counter is just dumb. There's tons of characters with the specific power of rewrting their own stories or interacting with the story in ways other characters can't. Some of them have this integrally tried to their character. If your reasing is that Saitama can't use his gag because there is no plot or narrative or no author to interact with via his gag, then the same would have to reign true for every character who has some sort of plot manipulation ability which is just dumb. Taking that gag away from him would essentially be getting rid of what Saitama makes Saitana.

@Breakfast lord I don't really knbow this Danny Phantom's show, but there must be a reason behind it. I searched about the reality gaunlet and each gem has a purpose, while Garou just manipulates reality, that's it. Garou is an advanced level user, he can manipulate the reality of the cosmos, as said by Blast. Blast specifically mentions the cosmos. And no, I do not believe gag is inherently narrative.

Here is Saitama's hand sticking out of the manga panel without actually breaking it:

@Breakfast lord From the Internet I guess? Do you think I would study dimensional tiering in school? Manipulating reality and time does make you 5D. Besides, Iwas referring to Saitama doing something similar to Arale. Arale destroyed SSJB Goku with no effort. Blue is the combination fo a God and a Super Saiyan. Plus, feats don't matter, because Saitama is a gag character.