Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34072877-20171224223505/@comment-31913001-20180103112622

Way to avoid all of my points.

It's called "Ki Control". DB chracters can focus their ki into single points to avoid uneccessary damage. Also, UI Goku/Jiren are far stronger than SSB Vegito.

Again, afterimages are virtually useless when determining actual speed. Kid Goku could do that .

You still have yet to cite a feat for Saitama that indicates he could defeat Jiren.