Talk:Limiter/@comment-2601:19B:8200:5531:8534:DC42:5A26:DAB6-20190215092806/@comment-14017325-20190718180916

The difference between this and Dragon Ball is in the phrase. Dragon Ball uses a plural, LimitS to establish that Goku and the other characters have boundaries to the powers that they are able to access. With training, they can cross over them to reach newer areas of power as well as discover new walls to overcome.

With Goku, it's very straight forward, even simpler with the super saiyan forms. e.g, After training in 10x gravity with King Kai and learning the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb.

He eventually founds a boundary of what his body able to handle. Which is Kaioken times 2 without damaging himself, but it was inferior to Vegeta's natural full power in the Saiyan arc which is why he pushed over that boundary of his limits with Kaioken times 3 and then finally 4 to access that new level of power to overpower Vegeta, though it came at a tremendous amount of damage to his body.

What separates that from this is that when Goku went back to normal after breaking through his limits and testing his durability. His power goes back down to normal, showing it hasn't permanently changed him to being unbeatable. Which of course has never fully happened to him in any of his fights apart from partly against Frieza on Namek as a Super Saiyan.

Dragon Ball Super has been trying to make it abundantly clear that a flaw to Goku's power is his character and attitude of being too relaxed and having his guard down which can result in his defeat, if he is not careful showing he is not indestructible. Goku isn't and has never been.

What OPM is suggesting is when breaking through your limit, is a permanent effect on your body as it is a single limit placed there by God/Evolution and breaking through it removes it from you forever and you no longer have a new level to explore. That's it. It is the endgame. It is not what Dragon Ball teaches.

However the flaw in this is that for OPM to prove it is superior to Dragon Ball and have Saitama be acknowledged as being stronger then Goku is to have him fight villains that are at the level that Goku has been battling at. Which are beings that can destroy entire Universes with devastating power.

Because the Saiyan instinct is to have that be put to the test to have it prove it really is immune to everything that existence can throw at it. What OPM has been offering has been a joke in comparison to the likes of Golden Frieza, Beerus and even Jiren who can defy time itself.

Because of this. I find it very hard to believe that Saitama can be on the same level that Goku is now at when he hasn't faced the level of opponents that Goku has. To me, Saitama is only Solar System level until he obliterates someone who is at that level in a single punch.