Talk:Boros/@comment-116.240.233.124-20170714041733/@comment-33195013-20171029113554

1. what are you talking about, this is a very consistent feat, we've heard that beerus can do this, if two gods of destruction can fight it will, and zeno can destroy time lines, goku destroyed a small pocket dimension, it's not a hyperbole, plus, this was an attack that would destroy it, other statements like it were just that they could destroy the universe, no time frame, no specific attack, also, this is the biggest thing, why would they want to? it's why they don't destroy planets, they don't want to just kill everything, goku only this by accident. note one of the words you said there, intends to destroy the universe, that doesn't mean he'll do it straight away.

2. these aren't your points, i will add them any way. they were going to destroy the macroverse, our universe, heaven and hell, plus the kai realm, which is 1 tenth the size of the other universes combined, 3.3 universes, also, the db universe isn't condensed, look at the comparison between snake way, and king kai's planet, also, we've seen galaxies, which contradicts that a universe is only as large as snake way.

3. your next point is really stupid, firstly, if it was going to destroy the universe with matter manipulation, why were there fractured planets, and why was there a large explosion after, that argument is literally contradicted by why you think they are multi planet level, and goku only has a basic form of matter manipulation, btw, telekinesis, and the ability to convert ki into light, he's never shown anything else.

4. you are focusing on the wrong feat, you forget that beerus absorbed the energy that was going to destroy the macroverse, and goku stopped an attack capable of destroying the macroverse.

5. if we went by that logic, his destructive capacity would be low multiversal, because he was going to destroy 3 universes and one that is a tenth these universes, but, it's universe level, because these characters aren't 4th dimensional, so he's still universe level.

6. in your google plus page you said that the shockwaves are multi planet level, i think this is true, but it wasn't the shockwaves that were going to destroy the universe, it was the point of impact, if you actually watch the episode you see a large explosion after the final clash, which they said was going to destroy the universe, not shockwaves tearing apart the universe, also i do know that this was energy attacks instead of the punches, but that's irrelevant, it still proves that these were a by product.

7. this doesn't contradict the narrator or whis, as it's the shockwaves that will do this part of the damage, not the point of impact, the point of impact would destroy the universe after the clashes.

8. the rest already debunk your claims about the macroverse not being destroyed, as we literally see an explosion that doesn't happen in the first 2 clashes.

9. again, not one of you points, but still. these clearly aren't normal shockwaves, these are ki shockwaves, they actually show us the difference in super, jiren punches causing a shockwave, it looks and acts like a normal shockwaves, but vegeta causes a shockwave, it's yellow, and doesn't have a water cone, also, in a recent episode, caulifa and goku punch each other, creating a giant yellow explosion, they didn't use a ki blast anytime during the exchange, also, if these were normal shockwaves, how did they travel through space, pressure waves need matter to travel.

10. again, this isn't one of your points, but mine. if you are going to make a refute, use kai, which super has used scenes from, specifically the fight between gohan and cell, and use the dragon ball super anime, leave the manga, the original anime, and movies out.

11. stop downplaying DB, characters are way above planet level already.