Talk:Suiryu/@comment-83.8.182.101-20170625235715/@comment-74.167.13.12-20180306222807

I agree human Garou would win, but not 80% of the time. Garou best strength feats are when he's reaching and surpassing his human limits like picking up the tree while his body is completely messed up. He beat dudes that don't have all that much in actual martial arts training though some were really strong but couldn't counter his techniques, just like how he beat Tank Top Master. Unlike TTM, Suiryu is a very powerful AND skilled martial artist. So while Garou can beat purely strong dudes like TTM and MB who are amatuers as far as martial arts goes, it may not work in his favor as much with an actual strong fellow martial artist which is why I think Suiryu does win more often than 20%. I give Suiryu wins at least 40% of the time. Garou still wins the majority, but not nearly as lopsided as the guy a few spots above believes.

Again this is against HUMAN Garou before the Gatlin Gun hero alliance and Bang fight.