Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34072877-20171224223505/@comment-33779994-20180131003912

The number of idiots in this thread is overwhelming. For the record, Saitama wins, so if you want to ignore another comment to preserve you fantasies, go ahead. Here's the logic:

Let's break apart these characters for a moment. Imagine for a moment that training gives them EXP, which in turn levels them up. If we put Jiren at X level, he had to get to this level somehow, right? AS I'm no DB expert, I'll list two ways of acquiring power.

1. Created/gifted with it. This makes it hard to increase in power, as you are "born" with what is essentially a power cap.

2. Training. In essence, there is no hard cap; only a series of soft caps that must be broken to become more powerful.

Assuming Jiren is a 2, he will ultimately lose. Whereas Jiren can be more powerful than a god, there is still a series of caps to go through. The more powerful you get, the more EXP it takes to get to the next level. Essentially, progress will slow until gaining power has virtually no effect, as tiny differences MATHMATICALLY cause no change. The more powerful Jiren is, the harder the fight against Saitama becomes.

The reason why is what people don't seem to understand. Sure, Jiren has accomplished more than Saitama, so in that respect, Jiren wins. But in terms of sheer power (including physical strength, mental capabilities, and powers,) Saitama wins.

Going back to EXP, if Jiren is at X level, then we know X level is, in essence, infinity. Immeasurable. But infinity comes in sizes (there are more numbers between 1 and 3 than 1 and 2, but both are infinite). If each "level" Jiren obtains is harder and harder (going off of what I know from the DB universe) then, like I said, his progress will slow to a stop. Saitama's progress doesn't slow. It's like leveling up a Pokemon (minus the lvl 100 cap) where every level is the same amount of EXP. Since we're working with two different numbers here, things get a bit complicated. If Jiren and Saitama have the same EXP, Saitama will have more levels, thus winning. Even if Saitama has less EXP, can still win (to a point). This is what "limitless" means. Not that he is infinetly strong, neccessarily, but that his strength and effort are worth more than any character in any universe. He has no soft caps, no slowing, nothing.

Basically, he wins because his strength is immeasurable. Like everyone said. Case closed.