Talk:Limiter/@comment-184.21.133.216-20180423152931/@comment-184.63.224.229-20180607153739

You make good points but I still think you're wrong about some parts.

1. I stated that getting to Saitama's strength is achieved by defeating a god, not that breaking your limiter in general can only be achieved by beating a god. Breaking your limiter can be achieved by defeating opponents that are stronger than you in general.

2. Again, unless they explicitly state that saitama got strong with no real reason, it's still a theory like mine is. You can't say "that's it, no other reason" and disregard everything else as being fake because neither the story, ONE, or murata has said that he just got his strength out of nowhere. The only person who said that is saitama himself (although not really as he did say he had to do his training), so we can't exactly take his word for it as there is still no other means of proof. Granted, saitama is very insightful so it does lead me to believe that is not out of the question as ONE has pulled things like this plenty of times before. Still... getting his strength for no reason at all is not canon, at least not yet.

3. I disagree on Mumen. He may feel like he's not worthy enough to be anything above c-class, but that doesn't mean his willpower is weak. After all, he still never gives up on any fight that he's in and disregards his pains. He also does train all the time, it's just not conventional training that other people like saitama has done. He puts himself in a lot of tough fights against monsters that are much stronger than him and gets beaten down a lot. Garou pretty much does the same thing and that's what attributes to garou's strengths.

4. Garou didn't lose his limit break because he turned into a monster, he lost his limit break because his willpower was getting lower and lower the further he fought saitama. Turning into a monster was part of garou's limit break, much like turning bald was part of saitama's limit break.