Board Thread:General Discussion/@comment-34072877-20171224223505/@comment-28986790-20180103170932

Random1201 wrote:

Lemme guess, the statement that he broke his Limiter? Or a statement from someone vastly weaker than him merely hyping up his power?

I don't have time to go back and forth with you all day. Consider this my final reply. Dr Genus practically removes the limits of octopus to sell infinte wasabi. Go and READ, Instead of arguing here. In fact Zombieman after the showdown goes to him to get hiw own limiter removed. Genus is the only person who knows about this stuff and he is not weak he has done some serious research.

Random1201 wrote: Saitama breaking his Limiter merely means he pushed past the limitations of an average human.

Also, Saitama creating unlimited afterimages is irrelevant as afterimages are virtually useless when it comes to determining actual speed .

Jiren matched Ultra Instinct Goku in speed who effortlessly intercepted an attack from Dyspo who's faster than light . No its not. Don't waste my time if you haven't read about removing the limiter. Also Ultra Instinct Goku is based on exactly same concept.

It's not irrelevant, Its valid concept. Creating After image is somewhat related to how Movies are played. If you can make still pic feel like moving what would happen if we can make moving person appear like two stationary objects? Basically that guy must be at those two places at start and end duration within 1/34th(or was it 1/17th) of sec. That's physics not something from comics. Although i agree most writer exaggerate the concept.

''And Dyspo can't become fast if he doesn't sees the atttack coming. It's an conscious ability. That's why Hit counters him by using vibrations. So again not valid feat.''

Random1201 wrote:

Kay.

By merely powering up Jiren shook the World of Void which is described as infinite in size .

He then showed to be a powerhouse capable of blocking punches from Super Saiyan God Goku with his finger . Note that this SSG Goku is far stronger than it was several Story Arcs ago to where his punches produced shock waves that threatened to destroy Universe 7 . Even when Goku combined the Kaio-ken with his Super Saiyan Blue transformation (making himself astronomically stronger) Jiren proceeded to incapacitate him by blinking .

Jiren is confirmed to be someone who rivals if not surpasses the Gods of Destruction in power It should be noted that any God of Destruction can destroy their universes even when holding back immensely, and should any two GoDs fight , the collateral damage will result in the destruction of their respective universes .

Alright, these feats prove Jiren's power is on a Universal scale. Now prove Saitama can compare.

 You wanna play dirty fine, Let's play. Jiren didn't shake the World of Void. Besides this "Shaking" thing is pointed by Caulifla a complete amateur. Also only few rocks were shaking-at best the stadiums. SSG's power is at question too. Base Goku's punches  with Beerus were threatening Universal destruction. Also since we haven't seen the destruction, what kind of destruction? damage to space curvature or Energy release?Or perhaps only few cracks to space curvature? You literally have no feat about extent of damage. That's no feat its just again amateur talking. At best Earth Would be gone. Fights with Hakaishin causing  Universal understandable because we know they are strong. Even if i accept the hype and say that Jiren is universal level you have no feat proving it. Just words. Even that Spirit Bomb is at best mostly Sun buster/ Galaxy buster at the very best which he pushes back. And KaiokenX20 SSB Goku isn't stronger than SSB Vegito. Literally you haven't given any feat here proving Jiren is Universal level.

Random1201 wrote:

Way to avoid all of my points.

It's called "Ki Control". DB chracters can focus their ki into single points to avoid uneccessary damage. Also, UI Goku/Jiren are far stronger than SSB Vegito.

Again, afterimages are virtually useless when determining actual speed. Kid Goku could do that .

You still have yet to cite a feat for Saitama that indicates he could defeat Jiren. Well than suddenly Beerus or Goku lost their Ki Control? dude you are practically digging your grave. Even if i accept that Jiren is far stronger the damage from SSB Vegito should have been visible. I know Kid Goku could do that. But only few at once. This guy shows infinte. You haven't shown any feat either